On another thread
here, it was proposed that "the curse upon the ground" of Genesis 3 has both a physical manifestation and a spiritual meaning. It has been furthermore proposed here and elsewhere that the physical manifestation of this curse was removed at the time of Noah (even though the curse was originally pronounced because of sin,
and no one's sin had been forgiven at the time of Noah). So far, only the "ground curse" has been cited as being removed by the flood, and assigned some type of agricultural or dietary meaning, in vague terms. The spiritual meaning of "the ground curse," to my knowledge, has not been proposed by those who claim it has both a physical and spiritual connotation. It has also been separated from other elements of the same curse in Genesis 3, without explanation of how such slicing and dicing within an immediate context is hermeneutically defensible.
But furthermore, for that (albeit vaguely defined) physical interpretation of "the ground curse" to be valid, and the "combo" (both physical and spiritual) view of the curse of sin and death to be valid, we would of course have to apply the same hermeneutic (after such rule was defined and explained) to the rest of the elements of the curse as well. We would have to define for each of the following elements both the physical manifestation and the spiritual meaning. We would also have to provide an explanation of when and by what means each of these elements of the Genesis 3 curse was removed (excepting the serpent which remains unredeemed in the new creation). Or, if we were taking a futurist view as some "preterists" are now doing, we would have to explain by what means a given element or elements would be removed in our future. And again, if we were insistent on dividing the elements one from another and claiming some were removed in the past, whereas others will be removed in our future, we would have to explain our guiding principle. In other words, all of the blanks below would have to be filled in before we could consider the premise that the "curse on the ground" of Genesis 3 had a physical manifestation and was referring to literal thorns and thistles, from which we remain unredeemed today
, even though in the new creation "there is no more curse" according to Revelation 22:1. Serpent cursed above all cattle (so of course the curse on the cattle, not just the serpent must be identified here as well):
Physical manifestation of curse on cattle and serpent: _________________
Spiritual meaning of curse on cattle and serpent: _____________________2. Serpent to eat dust:
Physical manifestation of serpent eating dust: ______________________
Spiritual meaning of serpent eating dust: _________________________3. Sorrow and pain in conception and childbirth:
Physical manifestation of sorrow and pain in childbirth: ____________________
Spiritual meaning of sorrow and pain in childbirth: _________________________4. woman's desire for husband and his rule over her:
Physical manifestation of woman's desire and husband's rule: _________________
Spiritual meaning of woman's desire and husband's rule:____________________5. Cursed ground bringing forth thorns and thistles:
Physical manifestation of cursed ground and thorns and thistles: (definition still not adequately supplied, but its removal was apparently at the flood): ____________________________
Spiritual meaning of cursed ground and thorns and thistles: ________________________
Remember it is of paramount importance that we define not only the nature of these things, but identify when and by what means they were remedied--ie, when was redemption from this curse, both physically and spiritually, accomplished?
(Again, it is a given that the serpent was not and will not ever be redeemed.) This information would be required it would seem, before one could give their consideration to the "combo curse" view as it has been presented.