O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory?

Hi everybody, a new member with the same old questions here. I have been aware of preterism for a couple of years now and though I find much of it appealing I however have challenges with primarily 2 issues, one being the resurrection and the other being the end of the old covenant. These may even be the same question. Searching for discussions about these issues has led me here, Im sure it will be beneficial, so just bear with me guy.


How is 1 Cor 15:12-13 " Now if Christ is preached that he hath been raised from the dead, how say some among you that there is no resurrection of the dead? But if there is no resurrection of the dead, neither hath Christ been raised" to be understood 

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I knew someone long time ago who did just what you do. She also had feast or famine. I understand. But, like I said, I just can't respond to voluminous arguments. You will actually get more traction and response if you keep replies short.

Take care and thread the needle!

Patricia, my sister.

You have an a affixation with terra firma dirt (dead) bodies.... The dirt bodies of The Saints/prophets rising from THE TOMBS. They were still DEAD (Spiritually) as Stones. Jesus raised Lazarus from physical death back to physical life. But.... The Sanhedrin wanted to kill Lazarus, lest 'The People' believe on Jesus Miracles to prove that He is who He says. The Apostles asked Jesus if 'the one whom Jesus Loved' (Lazarus) would physically die before His coming in Judgment. Jesus says that it was of none of their concern. None of Their Spiritual bodies would have went to 'Heaven' to be in the presence of God the Father, all would have went AND stayed in Sheol until the Full fulfillment of The Day of The Lord, on The People, The Place and Law. You can not use 2 Cor. 5:8 and say apart from The Body and be in the 'Presence of The Lord God'..... Context, Context. You know full well that the Death Cloud was still over All of Israel, whether physical alive or physical dead Until The Judgment of AD 70. The Major difference is found in the book of Hebrews where the Hebrew writer is appealing to The Blood alive Hebrews to NOT 'Go Back' to The Law of Death of The Mosaic Cultus. All Hebrews had a choice (Free Will?) of Following Christ or ONLY following Moses (with its many Sects, The Way, being one Sect). Once Physical Death had Happened, it was impossible to change the Hebraic persons mind.... That Spirit was now/then either in Abrahams bosom or across the Great Gulf, Waiting for The Coming Day of Judgment.

The Thread is about 'Resurrection' and the only True General Resurrection happened in 70Ad, after that...each in his own order...


Hi Brother Les,

If this actually IS a fixation with proving the resurrection of "terra firma dirt (dead) bodies", then it is a fixation that Full Preterists share in trying to discount it.  I simply try to include it in the entire salvation package deal that is described in scripture, that's all. 

And even if the Sanhedrin were trying to kill Lazarus again - just because they desired this outcome doesn't mean it was a possibility that could actually happen.  

And those raised in the "First Resurrection" (i.e., the Matthew 27 saints) are specifically called "blessed and HOLY" in Rev. 20 - not "DEAD (Spiritually) as Stones". 

And the ranked "order" of the Resurrections in Cor. 15:23 was "Christ the First-fruits", and after that, those who belonged to Him who would be resurrected just like Him at his (second) coming in AD 70.  This verse says nothing at all about any resurrections to follow that second coming - one way or another.  It neither proves NOR disproves a third coming.  Neither does it prove NOR disprove the individual resurrections you are affirming.  So neither of us can use this verse to prove our position on resurrections following those First and second resurrection events.


I would like to hear your thoughts on what I said HERE


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