This is a posting of Michael Bennetts SGP blog regarding a Quote from BCS
A Beyond Creation Science Contradiction - The Garden
• Posted by Michael Bennett on July 19, 2009 at 6:00pm
* A Beyond Creation Science Contradiction
So I a am re-reading the section called "A Biblical Defense of death Before the Fall" page 220. I get to page 221 (the bottom) and look at their argument that is used.
BCS Page 221
"An overlooked passage in Genesis also reveals how the idea of a radical change in the physical world at the time of the fall and the flood is foreign to the author of Genesis. Note the intriguing reference to the original garden:
Lot looked up and saw that the whole plain of the Jordan was well watered, like the garden of the LORD, like the land of Egypt, toward Zoar. (This was before the LORD destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah.) (Gen.13:10 NIV)
This text compares the physical condition of the Jordan Valley and Egypt to the physical condition of the original garden. Just as the well watered garden caused fruit trees and animals to grow and prosper so the well-watered plain produced bountiful food for man and animals. The days of Abraham and Lot were long after the fall of Adam and Noah's flood, yet Genesis tells us that the conditions Abraham and Lot experienced on the plain of Jordan were comparable to the conditions of the Garden of God.
How could the author of Genesis make this comparison (as well as a reference to the land of Egypt) if he believed planet Earth was an idyllic paradise radically different in Abraham's day from the time before the fall?"
Did you catch that folks? The garden was a real physical place in Genesis 1-3 according to Tim Martin. But how can this be? Where are we now according to Tim? Aren't we in the garden according to BCS (they compare the garden to the city of Revetaion and claim that they areof the same nature). I thought their argument was that ithe garden / city is the SAME in Revelation as in Genesis? Go figure, they just defeated their own view and supported ours.
Out view is that the Bible moves from type to anti-type etc. *As seen in previous posts found in the BCS section for example.
According to their argument (Genesis is the same nature as revelation) But Tim Martin clearly makes the garden physical here in his BCS book.
"This text compares the physical condition of the Jordan Valley and Egypt to the physical condition of the original garden. Just as the well watered garden caused fruit trees and animals to grow and prosper so the well-watered plain produced bountiful food for man and animals. The days of Abraham and Lot were long after the fall of Adam and Noah's flood, yet Genesis tells us that the conditions Abraham and Lot experienced on the plain of Jordan were comparable to the conditions of the Garden of God"
So we should be in a physical garden / city - according to their own words and reasoning since they claim that the garden and city are of the same nature and yet they argue above that the garden is physical. So much for all of the critiques of our view as the "inconsistent" one.
End of Michaels blog Post.
Folks Michael failed to read the book again thoroughly and leads his friends into a false understanding and generates many post based upon his error of application.
Let’s keep reading on page 222 of BCS
A “literal” reading of the prophet suggests that there is no substantial
physical difference between the garden of Eden and the land of Canaan
before the exile. Joel explicitly compares the promised land to the
garden of Eden.
Perhaps a better way to understand these two references to the
original garden is simply that the imagery of the garden of Eden
throughout the entire Bible is applied wherever God’s people live in
friendship and covenant with God.
Joel is not the only one to take the Genesis Garden literally. Ezekiel clearly sees Eden imagery as constituting physical people and Nations.
Eze 28:12-13 "Son of man, raise a lamentation over the king of Tyre, and say to him, Thus says the Lord GOD: "You were the signet of perfection, full of wisdom and perfect in beauty. (13) YOU WERE IN EDEN, THE GARDEN OF GOD; … On the day that you were created they were prepared. 14 You were an anointed guardian cherub. …
Eze 31:2 "Son of man, say to Pharaoh king of Egypt and to his multitude: "Whom are you like in your greatness? … 9 THE CEDARS IN THE GARDEN of God could not rival it, nor the fir trees equal its boughs; neither were the plane trees like its branches; NO TREE IN THE GARDEN OF GOD was its equal in beauty. (9) I made it beautiful in the mass of its branches, and ALL THE TREES OF EDEN ENVIED IT, THAT WERE IN THE GARDEN OF GOD.
Eze 36:35 And they will say, 'This land that was desolate has become LIKE THE GARDEN OF EDEN, and the waste and desolate and ruined cities are now fortified and inhabited.'
Now Michael is clearly confused by this as he thinks that Eden represents a mystical garden. He doesn’t realize that Tim and Jeff put forth that the Garden is used as Imagery language to denote where God’s people dwell in “friendship and covenant with God”. Michael chose not to read or quote their explanation and now he has sent his friends off on a wild goose chase after some imagined misapplication that would have been clarified if he would simply pay attention and not be so quick to pull the trigger to play the gotcha game.
A huge problem that Michael is having is that it appears he doesn’t fully understand biblical metaphor and is constantly confused by others making spiritual application regarding it. I’m not sure how he ever got through the book of Revelation without being able to distinguish between metaphorical application to the real events that John was portraying with imagery. Sometimes Biblical imagery is just a daunting task for some folks.