I was in the chat room on this and should probably listen again to the podcast, but I don't think the case for CC was made here. Alan however did a good job. And because of his lecture, I will look again at his premise. He made a lot of sense. But then so have others which is to be expected until another comes along...to refute it.
Prov 18:17 - He that is first in his own cause seemeth just; but his neighbour cometh and searcheth him.