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How do you prove logic true?

Started this discussion. Last reply by Gary Hagen Sep 27, 2015. 18 Replies

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Gary Hagen replied to JL Vaughn's discussion How do you prove logic true?
"Jeff, our learning process has nothing to do with the timeless, necessary, immaterial and invariant status of logic.  Paul says we know about God inductively...."
Sep 27, 2015
Cory-Lynn liked JL Vaughn's blog post The Giving of the Law
Jul 4, 2015
Stephens Bubble commented on JL Vaughn's blog post The Problem of Context in the Genealogy of Genesis 5
"Jeff........ OK, so having established your argument in the your two posts on Adam, can you develop your argument a little;  As I see your argument; the context of The Flood is within the Genealogy of Noah. The Genealogy of Adam begins with;…"
May 8, 2015
Doug commented on JL Vaughn's blog post The Problem of Context in the Genealogy of Genesis 5
"Difficult, yes. But not impossible, especially if we disabuse ourselves of some assumptions about salvation. My recent post on the differences between immortality and eternal life is a good starting point.  If one believes the scripture that…"
May 7, 2015
JL Vaughn commented on JL Vaughn's blog post The Problem of Context in the Genealogy of Genesis 5
"Doug,Yes, it is a very difficult issue.  Made all the harder by the cultural distance between us and Adam.Between the post above and this post, Who Was Adam in Genesis-6 , I think it's clear that Adam did not represent all…"
May 6, 2015
Doug commented on JL Vaughn's blog post The Problem of Context in the Genealogy of Genesis 5
"Thank you Stephen for your elegant intellect. And thank you Jeff for once again reiterating how beginnings have influenced the entire biblical narrative. Jeff, you asked an important question, and one which is at the foundation of most theological…"
May 6, 2015
Stephens Bubble commented on JL Vaughn's blog post The Problem of Context in the Genealogy of Genesis 5
"Jeff, I guess if your building a Temple.........OK, but the correspondence between; Genesis and Revelation concerning Union of Adam with his female counterpart as one entity, both made as the image of God. Naming The Woman as Eve The…"
May 6, 2015
JL Vaughn commented on JL Vaughn's blog post The Problem of Context in the Genealogy of Genesis 5
"Stephens, Thank-you very much.Wiseman's where I first got the "colophon" idea from.  I tend to agree, especially since, the 200+ tablets I've looked at, all have the "colophons" on them.  Not all at the end…"
May 6, 2015

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What is your denomination ?
Christian Church/Church of Christ
"About Me"
Found true love, married her young.
Five kids, six cars, seven computers.
Will do math / physics for food.
Prefer equations three pages or longer.
Second Coming? Been there. Done that.
The whole land, not whole planet.
Do you have a favorite theologian ?
Milton Terry
What is your Eschatological Position ?
Covenant Eschatology, Covenant Creation, I'm so Covenantal my CoC friends think I turning Presbyterian

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Who was Adam in Genesis 6?

Posted on February 12, 2015 at 1:00pm 46 Comments

In the previous article, we established that the flood account was embedded in the Genesis 5 genealogy.  That genealogy ended with the last two verses of Genesis 9.

In Genesis 6, the embedded account starts with

1 Now it…


The Problem of Context in the Genealogy of Genesis 5

Posted on February 12, 2015 at 11:50am 15 Comments

We rarely read things in the Bible in their proper context.  Part of this has to do with the chapter and verse divisions.  I’d like for everyone to read this extended text from Genesis straight through starting near the end of Genesis 4, all the way to my chosen end.

You will notice, in Genesis 4 that we have the birth of Seth and Enosh.  The first two verses of tell us a bit about Adam (the meaning of these two verses is not germane to…


Human-Ape evolution vs. Fox-Dog evolution

Posted on August 4, 2014 at 12:30pm 0 Comments

Young Earth Creationists believe and teach that Humans and Apes from the same ancestors is impossible, yet that Foxes and Dogs from the same ancestors happened over a period of only 400 years or so from the time of Noah's Flood until the time of Abraham and Job.

It is difficult to get a detailed description of the differences between the actual genes in these numerous species.  Genes being the feature that evolution "works on" in a well understood and demonstrable manner.…


Beyond Creation Science, 4th edition

Posted on September 18, 2012 at 2:18pm 33 Comments


The 3rd edition of Beyond Creation Science is almost 5 years old.  It's past time to start on a new edition.

Tim and I plan to start on the new edition this winter and post the chapters one at a time as they are finished.

The basic structure of the first four chapters of the book will remain unchanged, but these chapters do have things we need to fix.  Beyond that, we will wait and see.

Any comments, the more specific the better, please email to me.…


When did heaven and earth pass away?

Posted on February 26, 2012 at 8:57pm 15 Comments

"For assuredly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, one jot or one tittle will by no means pass from the law till all is fulfilled." Matthew 5:18

If you are a Christian, but you are not a follower of Ellen G. White, then you most likely do not follow the practice of Saturday Sabbath, kosher diet, sacrifices, etc., all the things found in the Law.  Far more than the jots and tittles have passed away.  Essentially the whole Law has passed…


Comment Wall (39 comments)

At 8:02pm on October 5, 2008, John said…
Welcome JL,
Looking forward to some great discussions.
At 10:02am on October 11, 2008, Stephen Douglas said…
"Tim Martin and JL Vaughn are now friends Oct 9"

Sheesh, it's about time!
At 9:34pm on October 17, 2008, James Kessler said…
Sory JL. I didn't mean to sound so formal. It was mostly my way of respecting my elders :-)

Blessing my friend,

At 10:01pm on December 27, 2008, Norm said…

Sam is listed and he should have been aware of the aprx dates of truthvoice. It appears by looking at the topics that there may be a desire to offer a different perspective than what truthvoice provides.

This would possibly be especially true of Dr. Birks as I believe he is very uncomfortable with recent Genesis positions coming out of Preterism. It will be interesting to see how he and Sam Frost interact on the “corporate body” discussion concerning Adam in Genesis. They are on opposing sides of the argument. They are most likely together on a global flood though. I also see it possibly as an attempt to strengthen the Reformed side of Preterism around some of Birks and Sam’s commonly held positions.

That is what I’m reading between the lines at the moment until we get further clarification.

At 1:54am on January 14, 2009, Brian Maxwell said…
Thanks for the Welcome!
At 12:05pm on January 15, 2009, Charles Shank said…
Thanks for the add, Jeff; I'm looking forward to an edifying and glorifying time here!
At 3:41pm on January 17, 2009, Tami said…
Hey, Jeff! Nice job on the "Fulfilled" magazine article! Just got my copy in the mail today.
At 7:17pm on June 16, 2009, Tami said…
Hey there, how's it going?

At 1:42pm on July 1, 2009, Prabhu Das said…
Greetings from Tenali. How are you brother?
At 2:36pm on July 1, 2009, Prabhu Das said…
Brother JL Vaughn,

I'm very sorry to hear of your mother-in-law's passing away

Yah, I finish reading it (and like to read one more time). And I also shared a copy with Marnatha Bible College and Lotch Library with the intention to reach and educate many. Recently also I was contacted by Br. Stephen to teach these preterist concepts at his bible school. I’m very interested, but I was totally helpless to provide both of our conveyance.

Victor Suman is very young…I think he needs some time to dig into these advanced concepts.

We are just fine! Thanks for asking.

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