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Gen 1 vs Isa 51

Started this discussion. Last reply by Internet_Troll May 3. 4 Replies

I am trying to pin point when the law was given and when the old covenant begun. This is proving somewhat problematic for me.So from 2 Pet 3:5,7 and Rev 21:1 it seems clear that the coming of the New…Continue

The sin of the Gentiles

Started this discussion. Last reply by Brother Les Jan 18. 3 Replies

Acts 26:18  to open their eyes, in order to turn them from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan to God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins and an inheritance among those who are…Continue

Musings about IBD vs CBV

Started Jun 20, 2017 0 Replies

I have gotten some exposure (following Davo's suggestion) on the Individual Body view (IBD) of the resurrection opposed to the Corporate Body view (CBV).What I have figured is that all preterists…Continue

Adam as Israel

Started this discussion. Last reply by Internet_Troll Nov 5, 2017. 9 Replies

I have been  thinking about the following two issues:1) Israel going into captivity was their death, implying they were alife before then. The parousia was resurrection from Adam's death yet was the…Continue

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Internet_Troll replied to Internet_Troll's discussion Gen 1 vs Isa 51
"Thanks Jeff I agree too that the covenant surely began before Gen 3 and it would explain for me why the blood of Abel was required on Jesus' generation since it would be the same covenant. But two issues arise: 1) So how do you understand Isa…"
May 3
JL Vaughn replied to Internet_Troll's discussion Gen 1 vs Isa 51
"Troll,Preterism has taught for at least 20 years that Adam's curse in Genesis 3 was a covenant judgment.This implies that the covenant began before Genesis 3."
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Internet_Troll replied to Internet_Troll's discussion Gen 1 vs Isa 51
"Greetings Davo Great to hear from you. It had been a prolonged period of silence, I trust you are great.I guess the challenge for me with Adam being Israel is how to deal with the genealogies since they go back to Adam. At what point in Genesis do…"
Apr 28
davo replied to Internet_Troll's discussion Gen 1 vs Isa 51
"IT: If the story of Adam, is not a figure for Israel, i.e. Adam was a real individual and was given the law thus the formation of the first heavens and earth before Sinai, what then was brought by Moses? If however, Adam is indeed Israel, is there…"
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Gen 1 vs Isa 51

I am trying to pin point when the law was given and when the old covenant begun. This is proving somewhat problematic for me.So from 2 Pet 3:5,7 and Rev 21:1 it seems clear that the coming of the New Covenant was brought about by the passing of some heaven and earth.Now it seems to me there are at least 2 heavens and earth, one being in Gen 1 and the other Isaiah 51:16. IF these are indeed two heavens and earth, which one passed at the parousia? If they are the same, how can that be?I am…See More
Apr 27
Brother Les replied to Internet_Troll's discussion The sin of the Gentiles
"The 'sin' of rejecting the Holy Spirit..... The unforgiveable Sin. Eph. 3 may help Also look at Isa 63:10,11.... Luke 11:9-12, Eph.4:30, 1Thes 4:7-8"
Jan 18
Internet_Troll replied to Internet_Troll's discussion The sin of the Gentiles
"Thanks for the clarification there Bro Les My question then becomes about those gentiles who were never in covenant with YHWH, those who  did not incorporate the lost tribes of Israel and thus were never part of Adam. Was there any sin for…"
Jan 18
Brother Les replied to Internet_Troll's discussion The sin of the Gentiles
"The Gentiles that you are referring to in verse 17 DID have a Covenant with YHWH. Read the whole chapter, focus on verses 6 and 7. The Apostle Paul was preaching Nothing But THE HOPE of THE FATHERS, of THE PROMISE that was given to the Twelve…"
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The sin of the Gentiles

Acts 26:18  to open their eyes, in order to turn them from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan to God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins and an inheritance among those who are sanctified by faith in Me.’Here we find Paul's commission to the gentiles included that they may receive forgiveness of sins.We know that only those in Adam had the sin and needed the death to be defeated. Why then did gentiles need forgiveness of sin? What is the connection between covenant sin and the…See More
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"You could try this HERE."
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Internet_Troll replied to Internet_Troll's discussion Adam as Israel
"Hi Davo Might you know somewhere where the idea of Adam as Israel is fully laid out? In particular how the geneaologies are understood and when does the Genesis story become literal history rather than the story of a nation called Israel. Any…"
Nov 3, 2017
Internet_Troll commented on Stairway To Heaven's blog post Six Zealot Leaders and Four Edomite Leaders
"Thanks Patricia I see better now why we disagree as to the identity of the beast, it comes from the broader reading of other scripture.Thanks for you time I will conclude (without providing reasons) by saying I believe Luke 21 and Daniel speak of…"
Sep 20, 2017

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"About Me"
Been a Christian from 1996 when I was 11, single and have a keen interest in Biblical truth.
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Not really, probably NT Wright
What is your Eschatological Position ?
partial preterist I guess but closer to full preterism

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At 4:05pm on May 13, 2013, John said…

Welcome Jefrey!

At 6:50pm on May 29, 2013, Eohn Rhodes said…

Doug W

IMO the covenant with Adam as head completely ended AD 70. The same covenant still exists with a different head. Adam's job was to sway all flesh families not just his own. He fell and God renewed the covenant with the first sacrifice. Noah, Abraham, Jacob, Moses all renewed covenant and became major players in God's plan to make human in his image. Jesus became the completed image of God in a human(same word as Adam). His final covenant renewal changed heads.

Colossians 2:9 In him is dwelling the filling of the deity bodily. 2:10 And ya'll are in him who has been filled, who is the head of every original and authority.

@2:22 leave the teachings of the humans concerning unclean things, foods and holy days because they were a shadow and the reality is in the anointed Jesus. loose paraphrase 

Noah was not descended from Abraham, wasn't he in the resurrection? After Moses was preached in every city because the descendants of Abraham were scattered into the four kingdoms of Daniel the whole known world was invited to be born again into God's family. The four original flesh families are represented in Peter's vision of the sheet. The non humans were all invited into the newized covenant in spite of Peter's reluctance to let us into his family. I'm his brother and there is nothing he can do about it.

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Adam as Israel

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Though he dies yet shall he live

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The parousia and judgment of nations

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