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Musings about IBD vs CBV

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I have gotten some exposure (following Davo's suggestion) on the Individual Body view (IBD) of the resurrection opposed to the Corporate Body view (CBV).What I have figured is that all preterists…Continue

Adam as Israel

Started this discussion. Last reply by Internet_Troll May 26. 6 Replies

I have been  thinking about the following two issues:1) Israel going into captivity was their death, implying they were alife before then. The parousia was resurrection from Adam's death yet was the…Continue

Though he dies yet shall he live

Started this discussion. Last reply by Internet_Troll Apr 25. 8 Replies

John 11:25-26  Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live: And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die.…Continue

The parousia and judgment of nations

Started this discussion. Last reply by Dustin Curlee Apr 24. 15 Replies

How were other nations judged at the parousia? It easy to see how Jerusalem was judged, what of other nations?In particular 2 Thes 1:7 talks about those who troubled the Thessalonians being punished.…Continue

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Musings about IBD vs CBV

I have gotten some exposure (following Davo's suggestion) on the Individual Body view (IBD) of the resurrection opposed to the Corporate Body view (CBV).What I have figured is that all preterists agree that in some way there indeed was a covenantal change in the resurrection but what is not clear is whether that exhaustively descibes the resurrection.In my opinion if there is a resurrection passage that rules out individual bodies, that would imply there is some error in the IBD veiw and if…See More
Tuesday
Internet_Troll replied to Internet_Troll's discussion Resurrection and 2000 years of Christian History
"Thanks Davo The more options to consider the better, after all, a man is only as good as the options presented to him."
Jun 13
davo replied to Internet_Troll's discussion Resurrection and 2000 years of Christian History
"Have you considered a few options HERE?"
Jun 13
Internet_Troll replied to Internet_Troll's discussion Resurrection and 2000 years of Christian History
"DougW Four years later and I finally come across Ed Stevens. And while I had finally settled on the simple realisation that the ANF didn't have any clearer truth than we do, Ed just had to take me further on his "documentation…"
Jun 12
Internet_Troll replied to Internet_Troll's discussion Adam as Israel
"Thanks Davo, Quiet interesting and exciting to realise that my thoughts are not perculiar to me. I somehow didnt get a preterist feel to the articles and wonder about the authors eschatological views.I think these questions of mine are more…"
May 26
davo replied to Internet_Troll's discussion Adam as Israel
"Hi Boyardee… have a look HERE and HERE."
May 23
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Internet_Troll replied to Internet_Troll's discussion Adam as Israel
"Thank Patricia, As I indicated, this was not just an innocent question but one with a catch to it. Thus having two option either that Adam was a real person or that the story about Adam is actually about Israel, which veiw holds more sway. Thats…"
May 12
Patricia Watkins replied to Internet_Troll's discussion Adam as Israel
"Hi Boyardee, Certainly, no one could possibly deny that Israel killed God's messengers directly.  Their continual history of doing so was brought up by Stephen's Acts 7:52 testimony, ("Which of the prophets did not…"
May 11
Internet_Troll replied to Internet_Troll's discussion Adam as Israel
"Hi Patricia I hear where you are coming from but at the moment seems a bit of a stretch. I look at the parables of Jesus and I see the guilt of Israel being of actually killing God's messangers directly. But will keep that option at the back…"
May 11
Patricia Watkins replied to Internet_Troll's discussion Adam as Israel
"Hi Boyardee, Here's my 2 cents contribution toward your second point.  Remember, it's not just all the blood shed from Abel - it's particularly all the righteous blood shed from Abel to Zacharias.  These…"
May 10
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Adam as Israel

I have been  thinking about the following two issues:1) Israel going into captivity was their death, implying they were alife before then. The parousia was resurrection from Adam's death yet was the expectation of Israel to return from exile.2) Jesus in Matt 23 said Jerusalem would be guilty of all the blood shed from Abel. Now how and why would God hold Jerusalem for the blood of Abel?I have been thinking that maybe Adam is actually Israel. Implying the creation story is post exilic and is…See More
May 10
Internet_Troll replied to Internet_Troll's discussion Though he dies yet shall he live
"How can we differentiate life within Canaan against the exile. I considered going into exile as Israel's death from which they needed to return i.e. resurrection."
Apr 25
Dustin Curlee replied to Internet_Troll's discussion Though he dies yet shall he live
"Boyardee, No one was alive covenantally. All (Israel) had died in the Adamic body. But their transgressions were passed over via the sacrifices. Dustin..."
Apr 25
Internet_Troll replied to Internet_Troll's discussion Though he dies yet shall he live
"Thanks guys, it very clear now. I am however still curious as to whether anyone could be deemed covenantally alive before AD70 e.g. before Israel sin, the sin leading to exile, were they covenantally alive?"
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Pentecostal
"About Me"
Been a Christian from 1996 when I was 11, single and have a keen interest in Biblical truth.
Do you have a favorite theologian ?
Not really, probably NT Wright
What is your Eschatological Position ?
partial preterist I guess but closer to full preterism

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At 4:05pm on May 13, 2013, John said…

Welcome Jefrey!

At 6:50pm on May 29, 2013, Eohn Rhodes said…

Doug W

IMO the covenant with Adam as head completely ended AD 70. The same covenant still exists with a different head. Adam's job was to sway all flesh families not just his own. He fell and God renewed the covenant with the first sacrifice. Noah, Abraham, Jacob, Moses all renewed covenant and became major players in God's plan to make human in his image. Jesus became the completed image of God in a human(same word as Adam). His final covenant renewal changed heads.

Colossians 2:9 In him is dwelling the filling of the deity bodily. 2:10 And ya'll are in him who has been filled, who is the head of every original and authority.

@2:22 leave the teachings of the humans concerning unclean things, foods and holy days because they were a shadow and the reality is in the anointed Jesus. loose paraphrase 

Noah was not descended from Abraham, wasn't he in the resurrection? After Moses was preached in every city because the descendants of Abraham were scattered into the four kingdoms of Daniel the whole known world was invited to be born again into God's family. The four original flesh families are represented in Peter's vision of the sheet. The non humans were all invited into the newized covenant in spite of Peter's reluctance to let us into his family. I'm his brother and there is nothing he can do about it.

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The parousia and judgment of nations

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