O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory?
Well it seems that Taffy left the house before I could respond but I did want this post to be on the public record.
"Correction Taffy did not leave on his own as he was removed." My mistake and I apolgize for mishandling the situation.
Here is the problem with your position. You don’t think anyone post AD70 have been redeemed. You are correct in the literal historical sense of the term but not in the effectual fulfillment of Christ work, if I’m wrong please correct me. Christ redeemed Israel out of their bondage to the curse which occurred while Adam was in the Garden. I don’t think you understand the implications of what Adam’s presence in the Garden originally adds to the equation. The Garden is the place where there is no sin for “God’s” covenant people , Adam being the first. It is not the rest of humanity outside the Garden thus the reason the animals representing Gentiles could not be a helpmeet for Adam and only from his own flesh could he find a helper. The fall and consequently the redemption is thus purely a covenant redemption for those desiring to walk with God, it has no bearing upon those who choose to remain outside the Garden scope of redemption. This is why Rev 21 & 22 are all about the reestablishment of Garden life with God and Christ [notice not just with God but Christ also] because it requires Christ to walk with God in the new covenant Garden. There is no Universalism involved in this scenario where all men are brought into Garden life unless they are faithful to God through Christ. I know folks want the Garden to be all inclusive and it is for faithful but not for those who aren’t. Christ work of redemption on the Cross was to redeem only Israel’s faithful who’s sins were related to “Law” specifically found cursing the Garden. The Law was removed and those of faith were regathered to God completely as they accepted the Good news.
Romans chapters 5-8 are very specific in identifying what actually has occurred. There was sin in the original Garden but it is not attributed to the faithful man until the law or commandment ruined this pristine relationship. The “The sting of death is sin, and the power of sin is the law”. Paul says in Rom 7:9 that he[representing corporate Israel] was alive until the commandment showed up but because of man’s innate mortal nature could not hold on to the life the Garden provides, thus Adam’s expulsion from God’s presence. The Garden is the story of the church and the church is redeemed Israel put back into the Garden through the blood of the Cross for all men who seek to walk with God. Yes we were not physically there in the first century to become the “first fruits” of redemption but we are part of the batch called the church. Your denying the continuation of the church appears to be because you have not fully grasped the significance of the Garden as being the place of the church everlasting. The reason is that outside the Garden there is still “sin” because only in the Garden is where sin is not counted. Don’t lose sight of that significance. The Law was fully and triumphally cast out of the Garden at AD70 with the destruction of death due to law. And I’ll restate once again that people that call themselves the church nowdays have really screwed things up but that doesn’t negate the church everlasting which is the faithful of the body of Christ. We can do church just about any way we want as long as we walk in the spirit of Christ as his body of faithful. There however is still sin outside the church body life.
Now if you want to exegetically refute what I have stated above I’ll be all ears but so far you have not attempted to deal with these issues when we ask you to. You give excuses I believe because you simply don’t understand the issue yet and don’t know how to address it. If you did you would have jumped all over this idea the first time I presented it. Instead you ridicule because I don’t answer your questions that you want to only dwell with. Taffy you made a lot of good insights on your website but by not listening constructively to others critiques you miss out on refining you positions to a higher level. You really need to start listening to some of the feedback you are getting instead of being so defensive. It will make you a better student of the word.