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Is it possible Jesus was resurrected on the Sabbath? The interlinear makes it look that way.

Matthew 28:1 From the eve of the sabbaths to the morning of one of the sabbaths came Mary Magdalene and the other Mary to see the tomb.

Genesis 1:5 And God is calling light, day and darkness, he calls night. And evening passes and morning passes, day one.

Leviticus 23:15-16 And you shall start to count from the morrow of the sabbath from the day you brought the omer of the wave offering. Seven complete sabbaths shall go by. From the morrow of the seventh sabbath you shall count to the 50th day and then you shall bring a new presence offering to Yahweh.

The morning after the sabbath is still the same day to a Hebrew. God  counts the days of Genesis, evening and morning; first day.

That would make pentecost on the eighth sabbath, which that year could have been called Greek Sunday, by the time the sun came up. Not actually called Sunday till the fourth century. I'm not even sure the Romans were completely sold on the seven day week yet.

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Comment by Eohn Rhodes on September 28, 2013 at 8:29am
John 20:18-23 Then late the same day; the first of the sabbaths, and the doors having been locked where the disciples were assembled because of fear of the Jews, Jesus came and stood in the midst and said to them, peace to you all.

Late the same day is between 3 and 6 PM. The next day starts at 6 PM
Comment by Doug on September 29, 2013 at 3:12pm

Jesus was resurrected Saturday evening. Thinking of the resurrection as happening on Sunday morning "As it began to dawn towards the first day of the week" is a modern assumption about what "Dawn" meant in the old King James English. Dawn was not the morning sun coming up, it meant the beginning of something. Something like "It dawned on me...." The Jews thought of a day as ending at sunset. That means that a new day began (dawned) in the evening right after sunset.

Of course, this destroys a lot of tradition in the Christian church. For example, ""Good Friday". The three days and nights in the tomb can only happen if Jesus died on a Wednesday. Trying to fit 3 days and nights between Friday and Sunday is only possible if you do damage to standard wording of what a day and night means. Parts of a day and parts of a night is really nonsense, since what Jesus was trying to prove about Himself was that He was greater than the Prophet Jonah, and the ONLY sign Jesus gave was about Him staying in the grave for 3 days and nights. I also believe it stops the people who believe in teh "swoon" theory - that Jesus merely fainted and his disciples took him out of the grave. Jesus was DEAD, and being in there 3 days and nights proved how really dead He was.

What people don't realize is that Jesus died at Passover, and when they were trying to prepare His body "before the sabbath", the text is talking about the sabbath known as the first day of unleavened bread, which started as the sun went down right after the passover. It was an annual sabbath, not a weekly sabbath that scripture is referring to.

If you check out Leviticus 23:5-7, you will see that Passover and the First Day of UB were on back to back days. (the 14 and 15 of the month) Seeing as Jesus died on Passover, and there was at least one extra day before Saturday came (the 15th) and it was a holy day, Jesus  MUST not have died on a Friday. If it wasn't on a Friday, then the three days and nights were literal days and nights, not parts of days and nights. And that puts us back to Wednesday.

Do the calculations, and it's impossible for Jesus to have been crucified on a Friday and resurrected on a Sunday, and still get a holy day in between.

Comment by Eohn Rhodes on September 29, 2013 at 5:27pm
Doug,
Thanks for letting me bounce this one. I am ready to abandon it but this is the way I have presented it if 3 literal days and nights are needed @ 72 hours:

Crucifixion starts on Tuesday @ 3 PM
3 hours later starts Wednesday for the first night in the grave.
Thursday starts 24 hours later at 6PM for the second night in the grave.
Friday after 6PM is the third night in the grave.
Then comes Friday morning which later turns into Saturday at 6 PM.
Jesus is resurrected as lord of the Sabbath sometime IN THE NEXT HOURS that Saturday night because Mary finds the tomb empty sometime between evening and morning according to Matthew 28:1

Then AFTER MORNING later the same Saturday he appears to his disciples before 6PM. As John 20:19 says, ...late on day one of the sabbaths.. That is the first of seven sabbaths from Passover to pentecost

According to my lexicons the word for morning in Matthew 28:1 means when light starts to appear
Comment by Eohn Rhodes on September 30, 2013 at 8:47am
The Greek word in question is sabbaton. It is plural for sabbath. In the first half of the sentence it is rendered Saturday and in the second half of the verse it is translated as Sunday.

Matthew 28:1 KJV In the end of the sabbath, as it began to dawn toward the first day of the week, came Mary...

Matthew 28:1 In the Eve of the sabbaths, as it began to dawn toward day one of the sabbaths, came Mary...

Here's how they did it.

. Make after a long time mean the end
. Make the first plural sabbaths singular
. Make the second plural sabbaths mean the seven days of a week
. And count day one like a Greek not a Hebrew, good morning it is another day, instead of after evening and morning day one

Mia seems more likely to mean one than first
Comment by Doug on September 30, 2013 at 4:15pm

Eohn,

I am not sure what to say, because I am not sure what you are saying...

Are you arguing FOR a Saturday resurrection? If so, when on Saturday? Sat as the sun goes down? Sat. night? Saturday Morning?

Just not sure, or, maybe you are just putting facts out there. That's OK. But I just wondered if you are soliciting a response?

Comment by Eohn Rhodes on September 30, 2013 at 10:22pm
Doug,
I think I know what happened now.

The early church met for worship on the sabbath. That would be 6PM Saturday to 6PM Sunday Geek time. So when I go to church Sunday morning it is the Hebrew sabbath until 6 PM. The early church met twice on the sabbath which was evening and morning. At some point the church became gentile and forgot it's Hebrew beginning. Then they started meeting twice on Greek Sunday which was morning and evening.

By the time the KJV was made all they knew was resurection was on Greek Sunday morning. So they forced Matthew 28:1 to say Sunday because they forgot that the Hebrew sabbath overlapped the Greek day of worship by half a day.

So Jesus was resurected Greek Sunday morning and Hebrew Saturday morning at the same time.
Comment by Eohn Rhodes on October 1, 2013 at 7:41am
Socrates states that 4th-century Rome had ceased to worship on Sabbath...

On March 3rd 321, Constantine decreed tha Sunday will be observed as the Roman day of rest.

Eusebius writes that Constantine said, "Let us then have nothing in common with the detestable Jewish crowd; for we have received from our savior a different way."

The Westminster Confession of Faith says that the resurrection changed the sabbath to Sunday.

Nevertheless Jesus was raised on Hebrew sabbath morning and Greek Sunday morning at the same time. What calendar you choose is not the issue. The point is the Holy Spirit went to the Hebrews first fulfilling their types and shadows. To see the picture God painted for us we must see it from the Hebrew mindset first.

In God's perfect timing he he showed himself to be Lord of the sabbath for both Hebrews and Greeks at the same time.
Comment by Doug on October 1, 2013 at 9:45pm

Eohn,

I guess I am not following your reasoning, but it must be me...

Anyway, my belief is that Jesus was raised as the sun was setting on Saturday night. To the Jews, this was "the morning", because it was the start of Sunday for them. The gentiles started a new day at midnight. I don' t think there was any overlap.

Comment by Eohn Rhodes on October 2, 2013 at 8:14am
Doug,
You may be right since evening would be closer to 72 hours, if that's what the reference to three days and nights in the belly of the whale meant to a Hebrew. So how would you translate Genesis 1:5 ?
Comment by Internet_Troll on October 2, 2013 at 11:07am

Jesus died Hebrew Friday and rose Hebrew Sunday. Whether it was morning, evening is not really relevant.

If I remember correctly sabbaton also means week, hence Sunday, the first day of the week would be called the first [day] of the sabbaths (sabbaths meaning week).

While Jesus said 3 days and 3 nights, the Book also says He would be raised on the third day. Friday being day one, Saturday being day two and Sunday being the third day.

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