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Now this is a neat find! I don't think I need to comment much. Check it out for yourself:

The Ends of the Land

 

Imagine that. Here is a writer that, back in 1966, made the connection between the sea in Genesis 1 and the gentiles throughout Scripture.  I'm not sure if the author understood the full significance of his point. But the detail sure makes sense out of an often overlooked part of the creation account. At creation God blessed the sea creatures in Gen. 1:22 with a similar blessing given to man on the land in Gen. 1:28. God really loves the fish, too. He always has, from the very beginning.

Thus, Genesis creation is composed of the heavens, land, and sea.

 

Preterists often notice how God's judgment at the consummation of the age follows the contour of Genesis 1. Note how the age-ending judgment includes a sea jurisdiction in Rev. 20:13. That sets the context for what John sees next:

 

Then I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away, and there was no longer any sea. Rev. 21:1

Note how the heavens, land, and sea all pass away at the fulfillment of Rev. 21:1. See a pattern there?

 

It's just another example of how Covenant Creation matches Covenant Eschatology. For more info, see this presentation from the 2009 Covenant Creation Conference.

 

Tim Martin

www.BeyondCreationScience.com

 

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Comment by Doug on January 2, 2012 at 5:57pm

Tim,

Creation is composed not just of the sea, land, and heavens, it includes the dust too!

When God said "Dust thou art and to dust shalt thou return" He was not just talking about the physical composition of Adam. If He was, then why does Adam's name mean "Man of the red earth"? Shouldn't it mean "Man of dust"?

 

My point is that if Adam was "made from the dust", was God ONLY trying to threaten Adam and tell him how temporary he was? I maintain that there is some deep symbolism inherent in Adam's makeup, and a message for those seeking covenant meaning in Adam's creation. Namely, I believe that the "dust of the earth" was symbolic (among other things) of the general makeup of all men on earth, but that Adam was different, he was separate from the "dust" In fact, Gen. 2:7 goes to great length to show that Adam's "makeup" was CLAY, not dust. It was only after sin entered in that God made a point of telling Adam that he was dust. In addition, in Gen. 3:19, God says "out of it [the ground] WERE YOU TAKEN"

 

Compare Gen. 2 and Gen. 3

 

Genesis 2:7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

Genesis 3:17 And unto Adam he said, Because thou hast hearkened unto the voice of thy wife, and hast eaten of the tree, of which I commanded thee, saying, Thou shalt not eat of it: cursed is the ground for thy sake; in sorrow shalt thou eat of it all the days of thy life;
18 Thorns also and thistles shall it bring forth to thee; and thou shalt eat the herb of the field;
19 In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return.

 

The literalist would say that this is obviously talking about the fact that we will all dissolve upon physical death. Yet, only when sin entered in did God make a parallel of attaching a curse to laboring in the dust. Might it be that the thistles and thorns spoken of here really means that Adam was being sent back to that from which he was taken? Namely, he became just like all the other "dust" [people] who lost their way and were estranged from God by virtue of their impermanence and sinful natures.

 

Coming into covenant with God is a special relationship, and God "forms" us out of the clay. He forms WITHIN us a spirit and breathes life into us, as he did originally with Adam. When Adam sinned, the covenant was broken, and only restored by the second Adam, Christ. As a consequence, the curse put upon him was that he had to live as others lived, without covenant (agreement, or relationship) with God, and had to labor as others, groping to perhaps find a way to God.

 

The impermanence of dust is an important component of the vision of what was seen outside the gates of the Holy city. Outside the city are those outside of covenant with God and without Christ. They are those who continue to labor in spite of the kingdom of God being in their midst (as Eden was in their midst originally). These all have their part in the lake of fire, which is the second death.

 

Of course, I have thoughts about first and second death, but that isn't the thrust of this thread. Nevertheless, let me just say that the first death is "this body of death" (Rom. 7:24) in which we dwell now, and the second death, the lake of fire, is ABSOLUTE ESTRANGEMENT and EXCLUSION from God's kingdom, which of course is compared to the death of Adam and his "return" to the dust.

Comment by Tim Martin on January 2, 2012 at 11:59pm

Doug,


All very interesting thoughts. Thank you. I'll have to mull it over.

What if I put it like this?

Adam was taken from the dirt, which is part of the land. But, remember, God previously took the land from out of the waters; the land rose up out of the seas (Gen. 1:9-10).

I simply put it that way because it's plainly there in the story. BTW, this detail in the story is very important to Peter while writing in a very specific covenant context (2 Peter 3:5).

I find that to be one fascinating detail. Given that perspective, aren't we saying a lot of the same things from different directions?

Blessings,

Tim Martin

Comment by Doug on January 3, 2012 at 5:11pm

Tim,

Good though re: the land taken out of the water. I mean, we can slice this and dice it a thousand ways. For example, if land was taken out of water, and man was made from dirt, then is there perhaps any significance between man being raised out of water and baptism?

 

But this begs the question about water signifying spirit in other parts of scripture. Water has also been an agent of destruction, vis a vis the flood, and also the judgment on Pharaoh in the red Sea. So what do we do with metaphors when they war against each other?

 

I think we must be careful, that's all. It would all be too easy to go down the path of Kaballah, the Jewish Metaphorical and Mystical religious philosophy. In fact, the Jews did exactly that in the time of Christ and afterwards as we saw splits and sects, like the Saducees, Pharisees, and Essenes. We have their writings in the Apochrypha and Pseudipigrapha, and they imagined all kinds of things that weren't true.

 

My preference is to walk cautiously when speculating, and where scripture speaks, we can magnify up to the point where clear biblical symbolism disappears. Beyond that, it is just fun speculation. I like to speculate with the best of them, but I am personally careful about being dogmatic. So all I said about dust is in fun, and speculative, except where scripture speaks plainly.

 

As always, I specially enjoy your well-written ideas. You have a gift at turning a phrase and making things clear. Thank you for continuing to contribute well after your BCS book. I do hope there is another book brewing somewhere in that great cranium of yours! :)

 

Comment by Michael Bennett on January 5, 2012 at 7:08pm

Tim wrote: Adam was taken from the dirt, which is part of the land. But, remember, God previously took the land from out of the waters; the land rose up out of the seas (Gen. 1:9-10).I simply put it that way because it's plainly there in the story. BTW, this detail in the story is very important to Peter while writing in a very specific covenant context (2 Peter 3:5).

Hi Tim. Hope you are well. If the flood was of real water then creation had to be real water. Might still "sybollically" work, but still had to be real water in Genesis if you believe in a flood that was real water, right?

 2 Peter 3 5 But they deliberately forget that long ago by God’s word the heavens came into being and the earth was formed out of water and by water. 6 By these waters also the world of that time was deluged and destroyed.

Comment by Tim Martin on January 5, 2012 at 7:33pm

Mike,

The water involved in both events in covenant history relates to baptism...

Many, many people have written about the baptism dimension of Genesis 1:9-10, and Peter explicitly calls the flood a baptism elsewhere.

In the Bible, God's people are always set apart by baptism. And covenant judgments are also presented as baptism events.

Satisfied now? Your much-heralded "objection" to Covenant Creation doesn't hold water...

Tim Martin

www.BeyondCreationScience.com

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