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"It is a non-concordist, or a non-material view that Genesis is a covenantal story about the creation of the Old Covenant with Israel, not the material world or planet." Riley O'Brien Powell

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Comment by Tim Martin on June 20, 2013 at 10:50pm

That's amazing.

Nice work Riley and Erica! Putting a link up on the BCS site right now...


Tim Martin

Comment by jjkratt on June 20, 2013 at 11:03pm

This is really good. If the video quality could be improved, and the dialogue re-done so that it doesn't sound scripted with lines re-read, it could be something perfect to send to leading Genesis scholars. Great job all around though :)

Comment by william f. on August 2, 2014 at 7:22am
So Adam is not the first man in our world but the first covenant man which lead to the start of the nation of israel. So there were other humans when Adam was created but none in covenant with Yahweh. Could some please ans this I thing I'm starting to get it....amen
Comment by JL Vaughn on August 4, 2014 at 1:09pm

William,  Yes and no.  God had other covenants with other people, but these were not "The Covenant" and these people were not "The Covenant People."  These other covenants were much more limited.  These include (but not necessarily limited to) God's covenants with Tyre, Cain, Lot, Sodom, Ishmael, Esau, Nineveh, Nebuchadnezzar, Cyrus, etc.  Tim Martin did a talk on this at one of the Covenant Creation Conferences.

Comment by william f. on August 4, 2014 at 3:57pm
Ty for the ans. But it just knocked me for a loop. Back to the drawing board. Hey do you know where I could get this conference written or on audio or video...thanks again sir.
Comment by John on August 7, 2014 at 12:44am


The Covenant Creation archives link here has the conferences.

You might enjoy this one also.

Adam is Israel by Pete Enns

Comment by william f. on August 7, 2014 at 2:51am
Thanks bro. Been there and done that Adam is israel article. ....thanks any way...just order 3 books by Walton and one by glover hope I do not get in over my head.
.by the way I'd Walton a preterist and yes I did enjoy that article it makes me think of Romans 7
Comment by Internet_Troll on August 7, 2014 at 7:59am

How does having other people in addition and apart from a single historic individual named Adam affect Paul's statements:

that sin came to all through Adam

Adam, the first man

in Adam all die


What is the sin from which other people needed to be delivered and how did other people apart from "The Covenant People" come under this sin?


Why do other nations need to partake of a redemption to The Covenant People of a sin that was committed by Covenant People yet these other nations weren't involved?


Yeah, my thoughts are all over the place but any help would be appreciated.

Comment by william f. on August 9, 2014 at 12:04am

Just finish John waltons book the lost world of genesis 1......the hardest part for me is understanding the word cosmo....when you hear that word I think of the galaxy and outer space......and also the terminology functional and material.....i understand the temple is bascially Genesis 1 is the creation of the nation of israel and its people beginning with from reading the ot.....when other nations wanted the God of israel they had to be circumsiced......and just like today when we want that same God....the God of the Bible we have to be born again.....better stop before i lose my train of

Comment by Donald on August 26, 2014 at 6:05pm

Did Jesus died for the covenant people/world only?

Is "in Adam" still exist today?

Did Christ died only for those "in Adam"?

What about those who were not "in Adam"?

Not all humanity were/are "in Adam"?


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